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Dharmette: Harmony of Zen and Vipassana (1 of 5)

Date:
2021-04-19
Speakers:
Gil Fronsdal [Talks] [@AudioDharma]
Location:
Insight Meditation Center [Talks] [@YouTube]
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Guided Meditation: Simplicity
Dharmette: Harmony of Zen and Vipassana (1 of 5)

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Guided Meditation: Simplicity

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I'll wait another minute or so before the formal beginning of our time together. I appreciate very much all the chats and the good mornings. It's a very friendly and warm way to begin our time on meditation together. Thank you all for being here.

To begin, I offer my warm greetings to all of you, and especially warm greetings to the people who are new here for the 7:00 a.m. morning sitting who are participating in the Zen Center's intensive on the harmony of Zen and Vipassana. Just a couple of words for those of you who might be here from there: the way this format works is I usually begin with a few minutes of introductory comments setting the context for the meditation of the morning. Then there's some guided meditation that follows, and I end with what I call a dedication of merit, or a variation of that. Then at 7:30, we have a little Dharmette—a 15-minute talk.

If you have problems with the YouTube, such as it freezing or if I don't appear on the screen at the beginning at all even though the chats are rolling through, problems like that are usually resolved by refreshing. If you're not sure how to refresh, just close the window and open it again the way you got to it. The most common problem with not hearing the sound is that there's actually some issue with your computer. Just check all the settings on your computer including the speaker setting. If there's no sound and you look at the chat and there are lots of people saying "no sound," then the problem is here on my end, and hopefully I'll notice soon enough that there's a problem and that I'm talking just to myself. Usually, I just didn't push a button.

The harmony of Zen and Vipassana—in my mind and in my heart, I begin this idea of the harmony or the commonality even of these two wonderful Buddhist meditation traditions with a teaching from one of our teachers, our first generation of teachers here in the West. We studied with a man named Munindraji[1], an Indian who studied in Burma and became a great Vipassana teacher. He had this wonderful teaching that "If it is not simple, it's not Vipassana." In simplicity, maybe that is where commonality or harmony can be found. There's something powerful and profound about simplicity, a simplicity of being—a willingness, an allowing, and a valuing of just being alive.

My Zen teacher, Mel Weitsman[2], made a powerful statement to me once. We were driving across the Bay Bridge here in San Francisco. I was driving him, and he was asking about my life. I was telling him about different things that were new for me. At some point listening to me, he calmly and relaxedly—it seemed like just the right time—said, "Just to be alive is enough." That was a powerful moment for me: just to be alive is enough. Just to be simple, breathing, and here.

We make it complicated. Understanding how we make things unnecessarily complicated can help us return to a very powerful, significant way of being, which is to allow this life force, allow this breathing being to manifest and express itself in the fullest possible way that it can be. That is sometimes called liberated. But let's keep it simple. One of the ways that we make it complicated is by getting preoccupied or caught up in our thinking. So, one of the ways to return to simplicity, to return from the fixation and caught-up-ness in thinking, is to rely on breathing. The rhythm of breathing—the way the inhale appears and disappears, the exhale appears and disappears. If we stay close to it, the fluidity, the change, the cycles of that breathing is an alternative to getting the mind caught in thoughts.

We come back to the breathing, we stay with that rhythm, that massage of breathing, and it helps us to notice when we wander off in thought and get lost in preoccupation and fantasy. It helps us to know there's an alternative, and we come back to the embodied, physical simplicity of just being a human being that's breathing. In the process of doing so, our minds might protest, have other ideas, and say that other things are more important. Maybe so, but maybe those can wait for later. Maybe first we keep returning to the breathing, being with the breathing, letting the thinking mind quiet down, release itself, thaw open, and discover some deeper intimacy with this alive life as it's being lived. Breathing, the simplicity of just being, staying and resting with the breathing is one way to discover the simplicity of being.

No matter what your posture, maybe there's some way you can gently put your body a little bit more alert, so there's a physically embodied attentiveness. Then gently close your eyes.

To begin this connection to breathing, it can be helpful to take a few long, slow, deep breaths. The fuller breaths act as a ritual reminder of being here. This is the meditation hall, the inner meditation hall, the body's experience of breathing. With a deeper breath, take a long exhale. With the long exhale, if you can, then relax on the exhale. Relax your body.

Then letting your breathing return to normal. With a normal breath, continue this process of letting go. Relaxing, relaxing your body.

Breathing in and breathing out. As you exhale, relaxing and softening your belly. As you exhale, relaxing your shoulders. As you exhale, softening the muscles of your face.

When we're attuning ourselves to the experience of breathing, you might think of it as becoming aware of the body's experience of breathing. So it's not so much being in the control tower looking and focusing on the breathing; it is being inside, feeling, sensing how the body experiences breathing.

Feeling the rhythm of the body breathing. Breathing in and breathing out. Feeling that rhythm where it's most pronounced—sometimes in the belly, sometimes in the chest, or perhaps in the nostrils as the air goes in and out. Wherever it's easiest, nicest. Allowing the attention to rest there.

If you notice your mind wanders off in thought, as simply and non-conflictually as you can, begin again with your breathing. Always ready to begin again. Allowing yourself the simplicity of riding the body's experience of breathing.

Attention can be seen to be a food, that wherever attention goes, it's feeding something. If you allow your attention to go into thinking and distracted thoughts, we feed the thinking mind. But if we bring our attention into awareness of breathing—not just focusing on the breath, but attention is in the awareness of breathing, in the body's experience of breathing—then we're feeding awareness. We're feeding our ability to be present.

As we come to the end of this sitting, we can dedicate the merit of our practice together for the welfare of others. One way to do this is to do it consciously and explicitly. To think of merit as the ways that we have benefited from this meditation today, and to spend a few moments at the end of a sitting considering what those benefits might be.

Maybe we're calmer or less agitated. Maybe we know ourselves better; we know something about our agitation or even our craziness. It's good to know it; we can be wiser than it. Or maybe we're more accepting, less angry, or less afraid. More peaceful. More in touch with ourselves. More forgiving. The list could be quite long. It doesn't have to be a dramatic benefit, but to consider the benefits you can know and recognize. Maybe there are many you don't know.

Then to consider how you can bring those benefits into the world today. How can you extend those benefits or express them for the welfare and happiness of others? If we live with a wall of separation between ourselves and others, then we're also separated from ourselves. But as the wall comes down, we actually know ourselves more fully. This dedication of merit is part of this crumbling of the walls, allowing our good will to begin spreading out into the world. Not just letting this be wishful thinking, but to imagine how the benefits of this meditation might support someone in your conversations and communications today, and your way of being with someone.

May it be that the benefits of this meditation somehow or other can be expressed in these well wishes: May all beings be happy. May all beings be safe. May all beings be peaceful. And may all beings everywhere be free.

Dharmette: Harmony of Zen and Vipassana (1 of 5)

Great. Okay, I'll wait for the stream of "no sounds" to stop, and then I'll continue. Let's see, still no sound. Yay, sound is back! Okay, great. So those of you who are new got to see a little bit how this works. Periodically, I forget to push the buttons, and so that's what happened. So to start over again:

It's my honor to begin this series of talks on the harmony of Zen and Vipassana. This week, I'll give the morning 7:00 a.m. talks like today, and the next two weeks, my good friends and wonderful teachers from San Francisco Zen Center—Fu Schroeder, the abbess of Green Gulch Zen Center, and Paul Haller, former abbot of San Francisco Zen Center in the city—will give the talks. I've been involved in both these wonderful traditions, traditions I have tremendous respect for and I celebrate their great value. I feel very fortunate to have done both. I think they have mutually supported each other in all kinds of ways in myself. So to have a chance to talk about the meeting of these two, or the harmony of these two, is a wonderful exercise for me.

Sometimes I think of Zen and Vipassana as being like a Venn diagram—two circles that overlap in some places. In some teachings, some teachers might be positioned in their mutual circle, in the place where the two circles overlap, and so they seem very similar, with very similar teachings. And some might be sitting on opposite sides of the circle, so that they don't overlap or share much. How big that overlap is, I don't know. Maybe it depends on who's defining it. But there's certainly overlap.

Where there's not overlap, there can be harmony. There can be complementarity. There can be ways in which understanding one helps to understand the other. There's a wonderful saying that I learned when I was in England, that said if you don't leave England, you don't really know England. I think if you grew up there, and you leave and come back, you see it in different ways. Sometimes being outside of a particular religious tradition for a while that we've been immersed in helps us to see with clear eyes something we've been missing before. One of those things can be to understand even better the value of the tradition.

One of the kind of wonderful coincidences of language is that the word "Zen" comes from the Chinese word "Chan," which comes from the Sanskrit word "Dhyāna." It's just a different language pronouncing the same word. In Pali, dhyāna is jhāna[3], which means states of concentration, the practice of concentration.

Vipassana comes from the ancient Pali word for insight. Especially here in the modern West, but a little bit in India and in modern times, the word Vipassana no longer simply meant the insights that come from practicing mindfulness, but became the name for a technique of meditation practice—the mindfulness technique, in a sense. Then it became a word that began to encompass the full teachings, culture, and religion of people practicing Vipassana. So we have this very new thing that happened here, especially in the United States starting maybe three decades ago, that we started seeing this expression: "the Vipassana tradition." There were sometimes meetings or references to the "three traditions": Zen, Tibetan, and Vipassana. I was a little surprised to see Vipassana was now a tradition, when it's a relatively new word to refer to a school of meditation.

The wonderfulness of it is that in the ancient world, the insights of meditation were supported by jhāna, supported by deep concentration. In the teachings of the Buddha, the ancient teachings, these two came in harmony; they worked together, they were partners. Over time, as Buddhism developed in India, China, Japan, Sri Lanka, Burma, and Thailand in different ways, meditation remained a constant in some way or another. There were people, lineages, and schools that really emphasized meditation, and Zen and Vipassana are two of them.

Once you talk about sitting in meditation and practicing meditation, there's a lot of overlap in what human beings experience. Most people, when they sit down to meditate, discover very quickly how out of control their mind is, how much they're thinking, and how many obstacles there are to being really present. So learning and developing the capacity to be present is very much the same no matter what meditation one is doing. We're developing our capacity not to be distracted, not to be lost from our present moment experience.

As we do that, we become more settled, more calm, which is more the concentration factor. But as we become more settled and more calm, we start seeing more clearly what our experience is, which is the insight, the Vipassana side of it. These go back and forth: as we become calmer, maybe we see better; as we see better, we can become calmer, more settled, or more present, whatever the language we have. Coincidentally, then, these two big traditions, Zen and Vipassana, are named after these two ancient aspects of meditation that in the ancient world were harmonious and closely connected to each other.

The general way... there are two ways of practicing Vipassana: one is directed attention, and the other is undirected attention. It will be interesting to hear from the Zen teachers if the same distinction can be made in Zen. When I first started practicing Zen meditation, I was told to direct my attention on the breathing and to count the breaths. I did that for years, and it was a wonderful practice for me. When I went to Burma, they seemingly did the same thing. They told me to focus, and they often had an emphasis on feeling the movements of the belly as the breathing happened, the hara. In Burma, they put the attention in the same place, the hara area, and to feel the movements there. This was very familiar to me; it was the same directed attention as I did in Zen.

But what happens with Vipassana practice is that the practice begins to be directed, and then as it goes along, it becomes more undirected. We'll see that in the course of these five days that I'll be teaching here, the way that we've come to teach Vipassana—many of us inside practice mindfulness in the West—is we start with directed practice, and then we begin opening up the attention to include more and more in the awareness. We begin with the breathing. The breathing is a wonderful place to calm down, to relax, to step out of the thinking mind, to see how much we're caught in thought, and then come back. We come back, come back, and then we'll go to the body, to emotions, to thinking. Then on Friday, I'll give you a little taste, a real pointer to the undirected attention of Vipassana, which maybe is similar to what in Zen they call "just sitting," or shikantaza[4]. In Vipassana, there's often a sequential or a step-by-step approach to settling in and arriving to this undirected attention.

We begin with mindfulness of breathing, and I'd like to do a little teaching around this briefly. If we're practicing attention to breathing in meditation, it works when we're able to stay stable, connected, and continuous with the rhythm and flow of breathing in and breathing out. As we do that, because the attention is no longer going into thinking, that thinking mind gets quieter and stiller, and then things open up in a nice way. But plenty of times, our ability to stay with the breathing doesn't work.

It's like this: many years ago, I was up in the mountains here in the Santa Cruz Mountains, sitting on the edge of a creek. It seemed like the water was not flowing at all; it was completely still. Then I took a stick from the shore and put it vertically into the creek. I could see there was a little wake formed on the surface of the water where the stick went into the water, and then I could see that the water wasn't still. There was a current that was flowing.

In the same way, mindfulness of breathing is like the stick we put into the current of our lives, and we get to see more clearly how strong that current is. Especially look at the current of thinking or the currents of feelings that we might have. So it isn't necessarily that we're supposed to stay with the breath and criticize ourselves when we can't, but they just keep showing up. The breath then highlights what it is that is really flowing and moving: "Oh look at that, my mind is really busy. It was busier and more actively involved in thinking than I realized," or "I'm more interested in food than I ever could have imagined, that's all I think about." That's the beginning of mindfulness: to see clearly what's going on.

The more clearly we can see, the more choice we have about where we really want our attention to be. Do we want our attention to be hijacked by our neurosis, by our preoccupations? Or do we want our attention to be something that really enlivens us, embodies us, and brings out a freedom of life that I would like to think of as simplicity—the simplicity of just being alive and letting the lived life flow through us?

So thank you. I look forward to having this chance with you tomorrow morning. For those of you in the intensive, there will be a more formal welcome and introduction to this intensive program at their 10:00 program this morning. I look forward to seeing the intensive folks there then. Thank you.



  1. Munindraji: Anagarika Munindra (1915–2003) was a prominent Indian Vipassana meditation teacher who studied in Burma and played a key role in teaching many of the first generation of Western insight meditation teachers. ↩︎

  2. Mel Weitsman: Mel Weitsman (1929–2021) was an American Soto Zen roshi, the founder and guiding teacher of the Berkeley Zen Center, and a prominent figure in transmitting Zen to the West. ↩︎

  3. Jhāna: A Pali word (related to the Sanskrit dhyāna) referring to profound states of meditative concentration and absorption. ↩︎

  4. Shikantaza: A Japanese term meaning "just sitting," referring to a Zen meditation practice of objectless, undirected, open awareness. ↩︎