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Guided Meditation: Receptive Awareness of This Moment

Good morning everyone. Good morning to folks here, and good afternoon and evening, and whatever time zone it is for the folks who are joining us online. Hello, hi. Hello Internet, hello Sangha here at IMC, hi.

It's kind of fun to feel that we're being joined, right? We're sitting here and we are joined from various places in the world. Quite sweet.

So let's begin meditating together. I'll offer some light guidance to help us settle and arrive.

Arriving in this body, in this moment in time. Arriving in this moment of our journey. Arriving with a receptive stance. "Ah, it's like this right now. Hello body, hello mind, hello heart."

And allowing awareness or knowing to greet the body. Embodiment. So important. The first establishment of mindfulness: the body.

Letting the sensations of the breath within the body, wherever they are experienced, however they are experienced, to be received. To be received.

A receptive stance. See how that might feel different from an achievement stance. A receptive stance that receives the breath, receives the body.

Letting the heart, the body, and the mind soften into a receptive stance. Receptive awareness. Receptive.

Receiving this moment. Not reaching out for the next one, not reaching out for the past, but receiving this, just this. Receiving this fully, wholeheartedly.

Notice what happens when your mind shifts its stance from doing, getting, going out to get, to think, to problem-solve, or even within the body, from the control tower going to the breath and the body. What if you have this sense of exhalation in the body? Relaxing, softening, receiving experience. Knowing experience with a receptive stance. Experiment for yourself. How might this be different? How might this shift open something up for you in this practice?

Receptively engaged and aware of this that is arising in this moment.

Awareness. Open, spacious, receptive to whatever is arising in this moment. Wholeheartedly. Wholehearted, receptive knowing. Receptive knowing. Receptive but not entangled. Unentangled knowing.

Can your heart receptively open to tune into the goodness in this moment? Right here. Just the challenges and difficulties? Goodness. Sitting here in this moment. Such grace.

Is the heart, is the mind tightening, clinching around something? And the body and the mind, thought and emotion. Can we soften if that is the case? Can we soften our stance? Soften our bodies if there is tightness, tension. Soften our perspective. It's okay. Soften our heart.

Let there be grace of knowing. Simply knowing. Being aware without judgment, without entanglement, without wanting to fix it or push it away. A receptive, wholehearted, embodied stance of knowing. What does it feel for you, this stance?

And as we turn to bring this sit to a close, appreciating ourselves for having showed up and letting go of any judgment or regret. "It didn't work out this way," or self-judgment, or distractions, or sleepiness, or whatever might have arisen. Let go of all of that if there is any. No attachment to outcome. You've done your best. Showed up as best as you were able to, given all the causes and conditions that came before.

So appreciating yourself, your engagement, your effort to cultivate calm awareness, wisdom, kindness. And this can be a moment of kindness towards yourself, an appreciation for yourself and the community, and trusting there is co-created goodness here in our practice together. Trust there is goodness, so much goodness. And practicing generosity, sharing this goodness with good will with all beings everywhere.

May my practice, may my wholeheartedness without attachment to outcome, may my practice, our practice, support and be a cause and condition for my own freedom, for all of our awakenings, and the awakening freedom of all beings everywhere. May all beings be free. May all beings be happy.

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Thank you all for your practice.

Announcements

Nikki Mirghafori: Thank you Nikki, and welcome again. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening IMC. Are there any announcements?

Hilary: Good morning. Is this working? Sorry, it's number four. Yep, there we go. Hi, I'm Hilary, welcome. First announcement is there's a tea after the Dharma talk, and so everyone's welcome to stay. Feel free to get some tea inside and then take it outside. There's food and you can take chairs out there and a table if you like, or just sit on the benches. So welcome everyone to that.

There's also next Saturday, April 15th, Redwood City annual spring cleanup. And so I have a sign-up sheet if anybody's interested in joining me and Ram, who will be there as well. It starts at 8:30 and it goes until 12:00. They provide tools and everything, and there's actually a breakfast and a lunch that they provide as well. So if you are interested, I have a flyer about that and a sign-up sheet.

Also, the following Saturday, April 22nd, there's a half-day retreat in Huddart Park. Meditating outside, and Dawn Neal and I will be leading that. So there are flyers for that also on the literature counter.

And I wanted just to mention the family programs. There's a mindful parents series that started that's on the third Sundays of the month. There's one coming up April 16th, next Sunday. Yes, we have Melody here, she's actually one of the teachers, so if you have any questions you can see her about that. Let's see, make sure I don't have anything else.

We also have Dharma Sprouts for K through second graders on the first Sundays, Dharma Rocks for third through fifth graders on the third Sundays, and the teen program. So if you have any questions about that, see me. I'm also the volunteer director here, so we're always looking for volunteers for anybody who's interested in being a manager for an event, a recorder, helping with a tea circle or potlucks or anything like that. Just come say hi to me after the talk during the tea. Thank you.

Specifically, one of the volunteer groups that we're trying to form is the gardening group. Just for maintenance, and also we need people who know something about gardening. So maybe once a month we would get together and do something outside. So please see me about that. Thank you.

Nikki Mirghafori: Thank you Hilary, thank you so much and thanks for all that you do.

The Journey is the Destination

So hello, greetings everyone here and online. For today's reflections, I wanted to offer some thoughts for your consideration on the theme of "the journey is the destination." It's a saying that you might have heard before in different contexts, and in the context of our spiritual practice in Buddhism, it takes a particularly special meaning. So I wanted to explore that a little bit, and not just from a cognitive stance, but also offering some practical tools. How would our stance, how would our daily practice shift if we worked with this? So news you can use, that's my intention today. And also some engagement. I'd love to have some engagement on the topic because we all have had some experience with both the opposite and also wisdom with the journey being the destination. So let's explore this together. How does that sound?

So let's start by actually exploring in an embodied sense, because embodiment is first and foremost. Exploring everything in the body is the foundation of the practice. In the Satipaṭṭhāna Sutta^[1], where the Buddha talks about the four establishments of mindfulness, the first and primary one is the body. It's really exploring mindfulness of the body, and many of you might be familiar with body scans which are drawn from it. Basically, really having this basis of the body is the very first foundation. Whereas in the West, we like to think of mindfulness as, "Oh, thoughts and mind, I want to do the third satipaṭṭhāna, mindfulness of mind, first," mindfulness of the body is first.

Second is mindfulness of feeling tone, vedanā^[2]: pleasant, unpleasant, or neutral. Just this constant push and pull we have towards everything. That's the second establishment. The third one is the mind, mindfulness of mind, mind states, etc. And then the fourth one, the fourth satipaṭṭhāna, is mindfulness of dhammas^[3], or basically various conditions. For example, the Four Noble Truths^[4] is part of that, the hindrances^[5]. Basically knowing the algorithms, the awareness of how it happens, how it goes after you've got the basics down. It's kind of knowing the processes. Processes of liberation, the Eightfold Path is in there.

But coming back, I just wanted to mention the four as a review. The first one is mindfulness of the body. The body is so important. Embodiment, awareness of the body. Exploring the body as a tuning fork. We get to know so much about our state of mind, about our state of emotions, based on what happens in our bodies. In the West, we're often cut off from our bodies. We're like walking heads with the bodies kind of disconnected. Whereas the body really supports us, embodies us, and grounds us in our practice. Have you noticed if you're stressed, if you take a breath—breath in the body, ah. And if you've been in your mind, "Blah blah, what do I do about this," there's a sense of grounding, there's a sense of awareness. "Okay, maybe I know how to do this. I don't have to spin out in my mind." You can become embodied.

I'm basically talking about how important embodiment is. Not the focus of this talk yet. We're going to talk about the journey as a destination, but we need to start with the body, otherwise we'll get all too heady. So now that I've sung the praises of really becoming aware of your body and embodiment in practice, in fact, as you're sitting right now, can you become aware of your body posture? More aware of what's happening in your body, how are you sitting, where are your feet? Do you feel embodied? Is there a sense of integrity in your body? Would it help to shift to feel more of a sense of, "Oh yeah, really sitting and engaging with the Dharma right now"? Does your body feel that way?

As I invited you to feel into your body in this moment, as I feel into my body, yeah, I'm sitting upright. There's a sense of uprightness in the body which also magnifies the sense of wholeheartedness of wanting to share the Dharma with you. So there is a connection between the embodiment and the mind.

So now, if you drop in this reflection that "the journey is the destination." What if you drop that into your body right now and see what happens? My journey, let's make it personal. My journey in this moment, in this moment of being alive, is the destination.

Drop that in and breathe with it a few breaths. My journey in this very moment... my journey in this very moment of being aware, being alive, is the destination. They're not separate.

Dropping it in, feeling into what arises in your heart, what arises in your body. What realizations, what reflections, what does it feel like when you really connect with this?

Let's drop it in one more time, a third time. My journey in this moment in time, however it's showing up right now, my engagement, the way I'm showing up on the arc of my journey. The way I'm aware, the way I'm responding, the way I'm receiving, perceiving this moment of my journey on this path is the destination. They're not separate. They're not different.

And notice what arises. How your body feels, how your heart feels. Dropping it into your body, not your mind. Let it reverberate. This is it. This is it. This is it. The journey is the destination.

Mid-Talk Reflections

So, you want to open your eyes if it feels okay now. There's a lot I want to share with you, but I would also like to ask, at this point as we're kind of exploring this, what comes up for you? What came up for you as you explored this? What reflections? If anyone is willing to share any thoughts that came up, any shifts, any realizations?

Yogi 1: I was assuming we're going to use the mic for the benefit of people online. Thank you so much for being the mic runner. Well, it just showed me the presence. It brought me to the present. A real gift.

Nikki Mirghafori: Thank you so much. Exactly, there's a sense of presence like, "Wow, yeah." Beautiful.

Yogi 2: So when I was embodied, I really felt it settling in and I felt myself grounding, and then it almost felt like my mind was like, "No, no, don't do that. We still have to figure out the future and you have to plan." Instantly I noticed that shift going back and forth, like my mind almost thought it's unsafe to settle in and let myself fully believe that. That's what I noticed.

Nikki Mirghafori: Wonderful insight. That is so powerful what you just noticed in this small little experiment. Wow, that is so powerful that there's some belief in your mind that it's not safe. That it's not safe to settle even for a brief moment because, "Here we're going to take it all back! Like this is just a moment, right? Oh sweetheart, it's okay, you can rest." Yes, so that's a big insight that you've just had right now about your own psyche. It might have come up for others as well.

One way to then work with that, because yes of course there is planning and doing in the world, and yet we do need that respite. If we're always carrying that heavy weight, we never have the time to have perspective. We're always in the middle of it. I know we know that, and yet there's some belief which is often unseen, so it's fantastic that it just became seen right now. You're showing yourself, "Thank you. You're trying to support, you're trying to warn me, protect me. I really appreciate the kindness there. And yeah, don't worry, I've got this. There's a moment of peace and I'll come back, just right now I'm gonna take 30 seconds, five minutes, 30 minutes a day, a week, to just be, and I'll have a fresher perspective."

As Einstein, one of my childhood heroes, says, "We can't solve our problems with the same mind that created them." And this is the same mind, right? It just wants to problem-solve. It's a different mind. We want to cultivate a different mind. Thank you so much for sharing that. Any other reflections or insights? This is so great.

Yogi 3: As I was sitting with the thought, a lot of memories came for me. Like my school days and some pivotal moment in my life that led me here. And I'm happy today that I'm here, and some key people that kind of changed my life during this period. And I'm like, wow, it's all coming through. And it brings me joy that I'm here. So, those are the thoughts for me, sitting with this.

Nikki Mirghafori: Thank you, thanks for sharing that. For you there was a sense of, "Oh yes, these points of the journey, these various points of the journey, and this moment is part of this. These are the destinations, the people who have been significant, being here." It's not just "I'm going somewhere," but it's all part of the joy of my life. The grace of my life. All of this. Thank you. Beautiful. I so appreciate your reflections. Any last burning ones before we transition?

Yogi 4: For me, what came up was like when you were giving those instructions, when you mentioned "in this very moment," that's when I noticed that in this very moment I'm free. And then just for a few seconds I felt that freedom, and after that, worries about life outside this room came up. But just in those few seconds I felt free.

Nikki Mirghafori: Ah, thanks so much for sharing that. That's so beautiful. Lovely. Just a moment of freedom. There is a door opening, there's light shining in. "Oh yeah, right here. Wow, it's possible. The sense of peace, sense of ease. It is accessible here." Yay, beautiful. That's it. These are mini-nibbanas^[6]. These are mini moments of awakening and freedom right here. It's possible. And then they keep expanding and expanding, becoming more beautiful. Thank you.

Life is Not Elsewhere

Thank you all for sharing your reflections. How enlivening to actually have this kind of interaction. You will have more, maybe later in the talk I'll ask you more.

And also something else I wanted to say. After Jeanie shared about feeling present with dropping this reflection, I've been actually working with this reflection for a few days. And every time I drop it in in my daily life, I'm going about doing this and that, and I drop in the reflection, "The journey is the destination." Ah, wow. This moment of the way I'm showing up, the way I'm being, the way I'm about to send this email. This is it.

If we think of a destination, sometimes we have this sense of holding back on our lives. "When I grow up, once I graduate, once I get married, once I meet my soulmate, once I get the dream job, once I retire." There's this idea that "Once this thing happens, then I'm going to start living. That's where I'm going, that's my destination." It's kind of unconscious. Or "When I'm awakened. Oh yeah, I'm going to do all this practice so whenever I'm liberated, I'm enlightened. Once I'm enlightened, oh yeah, then I'll have it all figured out and I'll just be living in my happy retirement of awakening." It doesn't work that way, of course it doesn't work that way.

I'll say more about the awakening bit, but a couple of things to say. One is I realized this mindset especially when I was in grad school at Berkeley. I remember the intensity of it, that people completely gave themselves to the grad school curriculum. So many of my classmates had this sense of, "Oh, once I graduate I'll explore my hobbies, or I'll do this thing which I love and I haven't done it for years." So there's this sense of putting off our lives. Putting off like there is this destination which is graduation.

And for me it was so interesting, and in some ways maybe it's more subtle for us in different ways. It's not so big. I had seen it in myself at some point: "Oh, when I move then maybe I'll give away the stuff and I'll clean up this corner." Like wait, I don't have to wait until that happens. I can do it now. There could be these subtle destinations we set up in our lives instead of it being right here. This is it. These moments that we're alive, we have the grace of being alive and kicking, breathing, sentient, having agency. This is it.

There is this title of a book by one of my favorite authors, Milan Kundera^[7], the Czech author, and the title of the book was Life is Elsewhere. Such an interesting title. The sense of, "Oh, life is elsewhere. It's not here, it's whatever you're doing, this is not it. Other people or other places..." It's like FOMO, I think it is translated to FOMO nowadays. "Oh, there's something, life is elsewhere." Life is not elsewhere, it's here. It's right here in this moment. It's right here in this room. This is it. The way we're showing up, the way we're engaging in this very moment is the destination.

It also relates to the teachings of the Buddha and the Eightfold Path. I'll get a little more specific in a moment, but in a general way for each of us to feel into that for ourselves: there's no redo. There's no rehearsal. This is our life. The way we're showing up and fashioning our lives in every moment, fashioning our karma, fashioning our legacy or our awareness ourselves. It's right here. The journey is the destination. Right here, it's not so separate. Liberation is not elsewhere. Liberation is also right here.

So this invitation to consider this, to actually drop this reflection in—maybe every day for the rest of the day, and experiment with it as you leave—is one of my invitations. It will invite us to stop sleepwalking, because we're usually sleepwalking. We're always pulling towards the next moment. Pulling towards the next thing. Either we're pulling back, regretting what we did or said, or we're pulling forward. Usually we're pulling forward. The next thing, the next thing. "Okay, when is lunch? When is this? When's that plan? Okay, that to-do list. Okay, I finished that. Okay, the next thing is still left to do. Next, next, next."

If you think of a literal journey, if you've gone on a trip, either you've seen that tendency in yourself or you've seen it in your travel partners. There's sometimes a sense of, "Okay, the next place, we're going to go see that temple, we're going to see that site. Next!" You go there two seconds, you go to the Eiffel Tower, "Okay, two seconds. Okay, next. The next place, next." Wait a minute. Actually, taking the bus or walking there is part of this journey. It's the whole thing. It's not just getting there for two seconds and then next.

We sometimes have this tendency in our lives. "Next thing, next thing." Like this is it. It's not just ticking off the to-do list. We're all going to die with the to-do list unfinished. I've just accepted that I'm never going to finish everything I want to finish. It's just not going to happen.

Speaking of that, I love teaching mindfulness of death, which some of you know mindfulness of mortality is one of the topics and themes that I love to teach on. When I teach courses, one thing that I've done is to invite folks to explore writing death poems, which are very common in Zen Buddhism. Writing death poems before they die. The equivalent of it in the West is the epitaph, being the short saying that goes on the tombstone. Given that the tombstone is small, epitaphs tend to be pretty short. I've invited people over time to write many, and this is one that somebody wrote:

"Once I get the job, once I meet my soulmate, once I'm free, below me."

Quite profound, yeah. That tendency that we have, always reaching for the next. "Once I do this, once I do that, once I'm free... below me." So we never know how much time we have. This is it.

The Eightfold Path is the Destination

So I'll say some more specific things now as it relates to the way we live within the Buddhist context. The Buddha taught suffering and the end of suffering. But the end of suffering is not a destination so much. We think of Nibbana as the end of suffering, like that's it, end of suffering. But again, it's not so much the place you go. Did you ever consider that the Buddha continued to meditate and practice after he was enlightened? Just think about that for a moment.

So it's not so much a destination. In Zen Buddhism, there is this beautiful saying: "Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water." Enlightenment again is not a happy retirement. It's the continuation of engaging with life. Continuing to engage. And I love that you shared this moment of mini-nibbanas, many pieces of freedom. Freedom becomes a part of the path, not separate from the path. It's not that we're doing all this practice to become free later. If you've been practicing for a little bit, you can tell that there are things that used to perhaps bother you or get on your nerves, and now, wow, there's a little more freedom about those topics. Maybe there's some areas that are still really challenging for you, but a few areas are just a little easier now. And you're here, you're continuing to practice and engage. The freedom becomes part of our practice. There's more and more and more of it. It's not like there's nothing and all of a sudden, poof. Freedom becomes part of the path.

In fact, the path of practice itself is the path of freedom. It is the path of happiness in and of itself. I want to read this quote for you from Sister True Dedication, who is one of the disciples of Thich Nhat Hanh^[8]:

"In his later years of teaching, Thich Nhat Hanh revised his translation of the Eightfold Path to be not merely the path leading to happiness, but the path of happiness. He taught that in the true spirit of the insight of interbeing, every step along the path leading to happiness must be happiness itself. If we suffer along the way, we've lost the game already."

I think that's quite profound. Every step along the path leading to happiness must be happiness itself. If you translate liberation and freedom as happiness, that's another way to relate to it. It's not the path just leading to happiness, it is happiness itself right here, right now. The journey is the destination.

I want to talk a little bit about the Eightfold Path. What I just read from Sister True Dedication is from the recent Lion's Roar, where there are articles on the Eightfold Path. One person from each tradition of Buddhism has written one article. It's quite sweet actually to see that.

The Buddha taught suffering and the end of suffering. Of course, sometimes people on the outside focus on the suffering. "Oh, Buddhism is all about suffering." No, it's about the end of suffering, and happiness really.

In the Four Noble Truths, the Buddha talks about suffering. Yes, there is stress in life. That's the First Noble Truth. Of course there is stress. It's a part of being human, and there are big stresses and small stresses. They're the losses, the challenges, the tragedies, the griefs. And then there are just the everyday stresses: you have to feed yourself and take care of yourself and bathe yourself. It's just all of us. Like, "Oh yeah, that too, that too." There's limited time and there's just little stresses. It's just part of being human.

And the Second Noble Truth is that grasping and clinging is the cause of the dukkha^[9], the suffering. Wanting things to be a particular way and clinging to it, or getting rope burn. Rope burn is when impermanence, anicca^[10], happens. Things are shifting and changing. If you're grabbing a rope that keeps running through your hands, you're holding onto the rope and it keeps shifting and you're saying, "Stop! Don't change!" You're getting rope burn. That is another way that we hurt when we try to stop things from changing, and change is the nature of life.

And the Third Noble Truth: yes, it is possible to be free. It is possible to have freedom, it's possible to be happy. It is possible in the midst of all this, in the midst of this craziness that is human life, to be happy and free and engaged. Not that you're going to go sit on top of a mountain like, "Okay, I'm liberated finally." No, it's being engaged in the middle of it.

And then people are on the edge of their seats: "Okay, tell us how!" The Eightfold Path. Here it is. This is how you do it. This is how it's done. The Buddha tells you how it's done. That's the recipe.

Okay, Eightfold Path. But this path is not like, "Okay, I'm gonna do the first and the second and I'm gonna do all these steps and then I'm gonna get to Nibbana." No. If you've noticed, it's drawn as a wheel. It's not a path. It's taught as a path, and a path usually is one step after another, like when you go on a hiking path. Whereas this path is drawn as an eight-spoke wheel. Oh, that's an interesting path! That was a sign, right? It's right here. It's your wise speech, and wise livelihood, and wise mindfulness, and cause—it's all here. It's all intertwined. The journey is the destination. The way you engage is it.

The different aspects of the Eightfold Path begin with wise view. The translation of the word sammā in the Eightfold Path is often "right view" or "wise view" or "appropriate." Remember at the beginning of my practice I had a little bit of, "What? Right? Right/wrong seemed very Puritan." But actually, the translation of the word really is "appropriate." What's the appropriate, what's the useful view? What's the useful speech? What's the appropriate speech in the right time? Think of the word "right" as the right tool. You're not going to use the wrong tool. If I wanted to use the striker for a bell, a glass full of water would not be the right tool, the striker would be the appropriate tool. So think of "right" as appropriate or wise.

Right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort—I actually prefer the word "engagement," because effort sometimes in the West brings a sense of strain, whereas engagement really asks, "What is appropriate engagement in the moment with whatever we're engaging?" And wise mindfulness, paying attention, and samādhi^[11], concentration, collectedness of the mind, the sense of wise stability.

The goal is the path. The goal is the path. The way we live our lives every moment, the way we pay attention, the way we meet suffering—our own suffering and the suffering of the world. The way in each moment we are engaging internally and externally. This is the destination. It's not elsewhere. This is it.

In some ways, it might seem like a paradox because we are practicing and we're going to have more and more ease and freedom, and yet this is it. If we have the stance of, "Oh, somewhere to go, somewhere to get," there's always this restless mind, this wanting mind. It's actually the Second Noble Truth: clinging, wanting. Like, "Ah, somewhere to go. Next thing." We're causing more suffering through our practice. Whereas, this is it.

So I want to invite you all to drop the phrase into your body the rest of the day. And if it works for you, maybe the rest of the week try, "The journey is the destination," or make it more personal: "My journey in this moment is my destination." How am I showing up? How am I meeting suffering? How am I meeting others? See with kindness, with generosity. This is it. We don't know how much time we have. This is it.

So thank you all for your kind attention. I hope some of these reflections have been supportive and helpful, and whatever isn't helpful, let it go. It's all good.

Final Reflections and Q&A

Given that we have just a couple of minutes left, I will ask if there are any final reflections. Since I promised I would open the floor again, are there any final reflections or questions?

Yogi 5: In the beginning, I think I heard you say that there were four things. And this was one of them, the first one. Am I mishearing?

Nikki Mirghafori: Oh yes, I think at the beginning when I was setting the stage, I was talking about embodiment being important. So the four satipaṭṭhānas, the four establishments of mindfulness: body, vedanā (feeling tone), the third one being the mind, and the fourth one being the dhammas (the processes). Those are the four that I mentioned. And then I invited us to really engage with the first one, because that's the foundation of the body. And drop it into the body, not just the head. That was the entryway into our meditation.

Yogi 6: I had an image of my son when he was little, and anyone who's a parent would probably relate to this. We're going to the library or we're going to the park, but for him it was the going that you're going to. And so that was the journey, not being at the park, it's going to the park.

Nikki Mirghafori: Beautiful. Thanks so much for adding that. Oh my goodness, yeah. I feel such tenderness, children are like that, right? On the way, it's like they're just enjoying everything on the way. It's the going. That's it. It's the going. I love it. Nancy, please.

Yogi 7: Thank you. I was just going to say the idea of dropping that in sort of in the middle of the day, in the middle of what you're doing, actually seems like a good diffuser. If you're reminding yourself that the journey is the destination when you reach those difficult moments, either with other people or in yourself, it is at that moment that the practice is really the most important. Thank you.

Nikki Mirghafori: Thank you so much. I appreciate what you said. Exactly, it's just a reminder because we tend to forget or become so focused on the thing and the next. Like, yeah, this is it actually. These are the important moments. It's all important, but especially those challenging moments. Thank you.

Thank you all. Thank you so much for your engagement with this topic. May you be well. May you be happy. May we serve well. Thanks everyone.